http://www.ozsaintsforum.com/biblical-chat-and-debate-f3/-t1.htm Topics related to Christianity and Bible discussion Sun, 05 Sep 2010 03:35:18 GMT 10 http://img23.imageshack.us/img23/7374/ozsaintstitle4a.png http://www.ozsaintsforum.com/biblical-chat-and-debate-f3/-t1.htm http://www.ozsaintsforum.com/biblical-chat-and-debate-f3/interview-with-an-ex-exclusive-brethren-t337.htm DaVe I was chatting to a young ex-Exclusive Brethren member not too long ago, and she had some fascinating responses regarding growing up in their church. She kindly gave me permission to post her replies. What made your parents start having questions about EB? Well my parents married in 1990.. about a week after, my moms entire family was shut up (ex-communicated).. the Brethren treated her family really bad and also made my mom treat her own family really bad. it always bothered her but didn't ... Biblical Chat and Debate Sun, 05 Sep 2010 03:35:18 GMT http://www.ozsaintsforum.com/biblical-chat-and-debate-f3/interview-with-an-ex-exclusive-brethren-t337.htm#6842 http://www.ozsaintsforum.com/biblical-chat-and-debate-f3/interview-with-an-ex-exclusive-brethren-t337.htm http://www.ozsaintsforum.com/biblical-chat-and-debate-f3/a-fresh-look-at-tithing-t336.htm Alpine Split From "Where is the Exodus" Lost wrote:For me the problem is too many pastors and most of the leaders like to lord it over the congregation instead of serving the people. It's a power trip at the expense of the little people. and that term headship is the basis of heresy. We have ONE head - that is Christ. No man is greater than the next, and whoever wants to be first in the kingdom of God must be servant to all. As for tithing, there is another heresy. Why did Paul not ... Biblical Chat and Debate Mon, 30 Aug 2010 07:18:25 GMT http://www.ozsaintsforum.com/biblical-chat-and-debate-f3/a-fresh-look-at-tithing-t336.htm#6830 http://www.ozsaintsforum.com/biblical-chat-and-debate-f3/a-fresh-look-at-tithing-t336.htm http://www.ozsaintsforum.com/biblical-chat-and-debate-f3/can-morality-exist-without-god-t105.htm lil'lotta This topic came about because of a discussion at work that started with "Hey Lotta what does Agape love mean?" So I told them it was selfless love that God gives us for each other. Pretty basic I know, but I am no scholar. Then my colleague said that God had nothng to do with it, that it was altruistic, which I did find out that it meant "unselfishly concerned for or devoted to the welfare of others". Similar maybe, but I don't think they are the same. I would love your thoughts ... Biblical Chat and Debate Fri, 19 Jun 2009 09:14:12 GMT http://www.ozsaintsforum.com/biblical-chat-and-debate-f3/can-morality-exist-without-god-t105.htm#2075 http://www.ozsaintsforum.com/biblical-chat-and-debate-f3/can-morality-exist-without-god-t105.htm http://www.ozsaintsforum.com/biblical-chat-and-debate-f3/church-kids-t304.htm DaVe A few years back I started thinking about church kids that 'rebelled'. While there's likely numerous reasons why a church kid would leave, I came to my own conclusion that a lot of the time it's because they've been subjected to rules and do's and do not's their whole life. They had never actually experienced life for themselves but rather always been told that this or that is bad. Growing up in church does have its disadvantages. You simply don't understand life before being a christian. ... Biblical Chat and Debate Wed, 16 Jun 2010 03:07:27 GMT http://www.ozsaintsforum.com/biblical-chat-and-debate-f3/church-kids-t304.htm#6408 http://www.ozsaintsforum.com/biblical-chat-and-debate-f3/church-kids-t304.htm http://www.ozsaintsforum.com/biblical-chat-and-debate-f3/the-basis-for-my-christianity-t317.htm xaine I felt stirred to post this after stumbling across a post on another board (and I say "stumbling", as I do not "hang out" in those forums). Here's the original post: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Escape_from_the_Fellowship/message/26050 For me, it was an "aha!" moment on why Ken H is where he is now in his beliefs. This topic is not to come against Ken (so please consider your responses carefully) - this topic is to discuss my conclusions about the foundation ... Biblical Chat and Debate Thu, 01 Jul 2010 23:32:37 GMT http://www.ozsaintsforum.com/biblical-chat-and-debate-f3/the-basis-for-my-christianity-t317.htm#6481 http://www.ozsaintsforum.com/biblical-chat-and-debate-f3/the-basis-for-my-christianity-t317.htm http://www.ozsaintsforum.com/biblical-chat-and-debate-f3/are-our-beliefs-more-powerful-than-facts-t328.htm Mythbuster article, and it is very interesting, to say the least.

What does everyone think?]]> Biblical Chat and Debate Fri, 23 Jul 2010 01:34:26 GMT http://www.ozsaintsforum.com/biblical-chat-and-debate-f3/are-our-beliefs-more-powerful-than-facts-t328.htm#6685 http://www.ozsaintsforum.com/biblical-chat-and-debate-f3/are-our-beliefs-more-powerful-than-facts-t328.htm http://www.ozsaintsforum.com/biblical-chat-and-debate-f3/do-you-have-to-be-likable-to-be-a-pastor-t300.htm DaVe This subject was touched on in another forum, so I thought I'd put up some of my thoughts here. Growing up in church, I could never get why some pastors looked and acted so mean-spirited. It was mainly the ones from the US. The aussie guys were generally more down to earth. What kind of twisted church is it when you're actually afraid of the pastor? For some, would it kill them to smile? If their life has been so changed and they're striving to live like Christ, is it so much to ask that ... Biblical Chat and Debate Fri, 21 May 2010 13:58:44 GMT http://www.ozsaintsforum.com/biblical-chat-and-debate-f3/do-you-have-to-be-likable-to-be-a-pastor-t300.htm#6354 http://www.ozsaintsforum.com/biblical-chat-and-debate-f3/do-you-have-to-be-likable-to-be-a-pastor-t300.htm http://www.ozsaintsforum.com/biblical-chat-and-debate-f3/plastic-surgery-t299.htm ecca I was recently asked what i thought of christians getting plastic surgery. I have to think that if it is done for asthetic reasons only then you should be happy with what God gave you and not do it. There has been a rise in breast enlargements, lyposuction, botox etc and im sure this will begin to creep into the church. What are your thoughts? Biblical Chat and Debate Sat, 15 May 2010 09:44:52 GMT http://www.ozsaintsforum.com/biblical-chat-and-debate-f3/plastic-surgery-t299.htm#6339 http://www.ozsaintsforum.com/biblical-chat-and-debate-f3/plastic-surgery-t299.htm http://www.ozsaintsforum.com/biblical-chat-and-debate-f3/maybe-god-is-punishing-you-t302.htm DaVe One of the mentalities that took me a while to get over was the thought that God was waiting to punish me everytime I did something 'wrong'. That wrong might have been real, or it may have been imagined based on church doctrine (ie, wasn't in church "in my place" on sunday so therefore I got a flat tire). If something went wrong at work, was it because I didn't pray that morning? Growing up in church, this sort of mentality became ingrained in my head. I was over-analyzing everything ... Biblical Chat and Debate Sun, 23 May 2010 07:57:39 GMT http://www.ozsaintsforum.com/biblical-chat-and-debate-f3/maybe-god-is-punishing-you-t302.htm#6360 http://www.ozsaintsforum.com/biblical-chat-and-debate-f3/maybe-god-is-punishing-you-t302.htm http://www.ozsaintsforum.com/biblical-chat-and-debate-f3/historic-baptist-the-one-true-church-cross-post-t301.htm DaVe Someone on another forum mentions a church group with an interesting doctrine: For those interested when I departed from Wayman's world I spent the majority of that time (since Dec 2005) attending a Baptist church which took me several years to really understand some of the dangers to watch out for in relation to what you may encounter in other churches. This is my former church: http://www.sherwoodhillsbaptistchurch.org.au/home.html They are what many would call Historic ... Biblical Chat and Debate Fri, 21 May 2010 14:17:28 GMT http://www.ozsaintsforum.com/biblical-chat-and-debate-f3/historic-baptist-the-one-true-church-cross-post-t301.htm#6355 http://www.ozsaintsforum.com/biblical-chat-and-debate-f3/historic-baptist-the-one-true-church-cross-post-t301.htm http://www.ozsaintsforum.com/biblical-chat-and-debate-f3/niv-or-kjv-t297.htm Darth Vader http://www.devsf.net/les_garrett Found this link in another forum that I post in from time to time. It is over 2 hours of a discourse on the above topic, broken into parts. I haven't seen it all yet but thought it was worth posting here to see what others think. Oh and BTW....Les Garret is an Aussie and the preaching is pretty good too. Biblical Chat and Debate Tue, 11 May 2010 13:57:16 GMT http://www.ozsaintsforum.com/biblical-chat-and-debate-f3/niv-or-kjv-t297.htm#6330 http://www.ozsaintsforum.com/biblical-chat-and-debate-f3/niv-or-kjv-t297.htm http://www.ozsaintsforum.com/biblical-chat-and-debate-f3/what-is-outreach-t296.htm ptero And so to Outreach? Its been on my mind to start this topic for a couple of weeks now. The sole reason is to have a converstaion around the questions of: "what is outreach, and why do we do it"? So, what is outreach? Is it just bands and drama? Or is it doing socially good things? Is it just event focus, or is is it a process? What's wrong with running Christian orphanages in the third world as an outreach? Is it right to say run a "kid's club" after school and have ... Biblical Chat and Debate Sat, 08 May 2010 13:37:51 GMT http://www.ozsaintsforum.com/biblical-chat-and-debate-f3/what-is-outreach-t296.htm#6317 http://www.ozsaintsforum.com/biblical-chat-and-debate-f3/what-is-outreach-t296.htm http://www.ozsaintsforum.com/biblical-chat-and-debate-f3/traffic-stops-as-jon-spurgeon-prays-for-road-safety-t282.htm DaVe
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- paul]]> Biblical Chat and Debate Wed, 07 Apr 2010 16:24:14 GMT http://www.ozsaintsforum.com/biblical-chat-and-debate-f3/legalism-t286.htm#6173 http://www.ozsaintsforum.com/biblical-chat-and-debate-f3/legalism-t286.htm http://www.ozsaintsforum.com/biblical-chat-and-debate-f3/spanking-time-at-the-world-wide-church-of-god-articles-t270.htm Admin The Spank Tent http://www.exitsupportnetwork.com/child/story/spank.htm Even today, as a grown woman, I feel like a lightning bolt will come through the ceiling and strike me for writing one of the "stories" from my WCG [World-Wide Church of God] childhood. This story is special to me, probably because it is actually my earliest memory. It was 1973 in Jekyll Island, Florida at "the feast" [Feast of Tabernacles, WCG conference] so I couldn't have been any older than ... Biblical Chat and Debate Sat, 27 Mar 2010 08:46:40 GMT http://www.ozsaintsforum.com/biblical-chat-and-debate-f3/spanking-time-at-the-world-wide-church-of-god-articles-t270.htm#6018 http://www.ozsaintsforum.com/biblical-chat-and-debate-f3/spanking-time-at-the-world-wide-church-of-god-articles-t270.htm http://www.ozsaintsforum.com/biblical-chat-and-debate-f3/gary-ablett-s-article-t274.htm Darth Vader http://www.heraldsun.com.au/news/what-kind-of-world-do-we-want-to-live-in/story-e6frf7jo-1225845501207

What do you reckon...]]> Biblical Chat and Debate Mon, 29 Mar 2010 12:12:12 GMT http://www.ozsaintsforum.com/biblical-chat-and-debate-f3/gary-ablett-s-article-t274.htm#6037 http://www.ozsaintsforum.com/biblical-chat-and-debate-f3/gary-ablett-s-article-t274.htm http://www.ozsaintsforum.com/biblical-chat-and-debate-f3/the-effects-of-spiritual-abuse-on-women-article-t269.htm Admin The Effects of Spiritual Abuse on Women, by Richard Damiani http://recoveringfromspiritualabuse.wikispot.org/The_Effects_of_Spiritual_Abuse_on_Women When women are trapped in an abusive church the effects are profound and deep. Single women may never marry since they can never quite measure up to the leader's expectations. This, plus the general immaturity of many single men who are kept in a dependent state by the pastor or elders gives them very little choice in a spouse. Both single ... Biblical Chat and Debate Sat, 27 Mar 2010 08:05:04 GMT http://www.ozsaintsforum.com/biblical-chat-and-debate-f3/the-effects-of-spiritual-abuse-on-women-article-t269.htm#6017 http://www.ozsaintsforum.com/biblical-chat-and-debate-f3/the-effects-of-spiritual-abuse-on-women-article-t269.htm http://www.ozsaintsforum.com/biblical-chat-and-debate-f3/spirits-and-curses-t268.htm DaVe Spirits Many years ago, I listened to some deliverance tapes by a christian minister. This man and his wife had a ministry called Demonbusters, and they even had a logo reminiscient of Ghostbusters. So I'm listening to this recording of a deliverance session, where they're praying for this woman. He's telling the demons in her that he's putting them into this spiritual "box", and the blood of Jesus is now filling that box and that the demon can't stand it. Meanwhile the woman being ... Biblical Chat and Debate Tue, 23 Mar 2010 13:26:19 GMT http://www.ozsaintsforum.com/biblical-chat-and-debate-f3/spirits-and-curses-t268.htm#5998 http://www.ozsaintsforum.com/biblical-chat-and-debate-f3/spirits-and-curses-t268.htm http://www.ozsaintsforum.com/biblical-chat-and-debate-f3/a-church-in-hiding-t256.htm Mythbuster I had some friends of ours who are not christians recently attend 'sausage sizzle and concert' in a park near our house. They were disappointed to find out that this family event was not what they were expecting. The music were familiar songs with words changed to 'make them religious' and they got the feeling they were only there so the church people could hand out their 'propaganda' en masse. What discouraged our friends the most was the fact the there was no advertising that this was a church ... Biblical Chat and Debate Tue, 02 Mar 2010 02:17:22 GMT http://www.ozsaintsforum.com/biblical-chat-and-debate-f3/a-church-in-hiding-t256.htm#5754 http://www.ozsaintsforum.com/biblical-chat-and-debate-f3/a-church-in-hiding-t256.htm http://www.ozsaintsforum.com/biblical-chat-and-debate-f3/can-new-testament-believers-be-cursed-t25.htm DaVe I was reading up recently on some questions about tithing and whether a believer is cursed for not tithing. The basic answer was that the NT doesn't force a believer to give, but promises blessing for those that do. With regards to curses and the Law, this scripture was presented: "Christ has redeemed us from the curse of the law, having become a curse for us" Gal. 3:13 The argument is that because we have been saved by faith through Christ's sacrifice, we can no longer ... Biblical Chat and Debate Sun, 26 Apr 2009 01:07:45 GMT http://www.ozsaintsforum.com/biblical-chat-and-debate-f3/can-new-testament-believers-be-cursed-t25.htm#156 http://www.ozsaintsforum.com/biblical-chat-and-debate-f3/can-new-testament-believers-be-cursed-t25.htm http://www.ozsaintsforum.com/biblical-chat-and-debate-f3/what-is-a-successful-church-plant-t262.htm mamajo This question has been bothering me for a few days (but years probably), so i put this question to you.. what is a successful church plant? I heard that there are another 2 churches being planted in to Perth this conference, and that is great news for the city. Another church to preach the gospel, there cant be enough churches to do that... my thoughts is this... over the last 5 years, how many of the PH churches planted into Perth are still open?? Not the old ones, like Scarborough, Vic Park/Kenwick ... Biblical Chat and Debate Sat, 13 Mar 2010 12:32:31 GMT http://www.ozsaintsforum.com/biblical-chat-and-debate-f3/what-is-a-successful-church-plant-t262.htm#5847 http://www.ozsaintsforum.com/biblical-chat-and-debate-f3/what-is-a-successful-church-plant-t262.htm http://www.ozsaintsforum.com/biblical-chat-and-debate-f3/gossip-a-deadly-sin-t253.htm Darth Vader http://www.victorious.org/gossip.htm

What do you think??]]> Biblical Chat and Debate Tue, 16 Feb 2010 15:28:43 GMT http://www.ozsaintsforum.com/biblical-chat-and-debate-f3/gossip-a-deadly-sin-t253.htm#5628 http://www.ozsaintsforum.com/biblical-chat-and-debate-f3/gossip-a-deadly-sin-t253.htm http://www.ozsaintsforum.com/biblical-chat-and-debate-f3/it-s-a-lot-of-money-t255.htm DaVe Reading the current comments in the Guest section about evangelism, it got me thinking: You know, there are Christian communities in pretty much every country we can think of. If the people in those countries are simply building their church in their own way, isn't that the bigger picture of going "into all the world"? By focusing on our own community in our own nation? I'm not trying to defend one church or another, but aren't we spreading ourselves way too thin if we constantly ... Biblical Chat and Debate Mon, 01 Mar 2010 12:57:16 GMT http://www.ozsaintsforum.com/biblical-chat-and-debate-f3/it-s-a-lot-of-money-t255.htm#5746 http://www.ozsaintsforum.com/biblical-chat-and-debate-f3/it-s-a-lot-of-money-t255.htm http://www.ozsaintsforum.com/biblical-chat-and-debate-f3/scientology-featured-on-four-corners-show-t260.htm DaVe The Church of Scientology is back in the news again, and was the subject of this week's Four Corners, called "Scientology: The Ex-Files". Ex-members talk about their experiences. 5min excerpt: Full show on YouTube: Four Corners, Scientology, The Ex Files, Pt 1 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NBFw14uNQA0 Direct download link: sendspace.com fvuha6 Biblical Chat and Debate Wed, 10 Mar 2010 14:29:48 GMT http://www.ozsaintsforum.com/biblical-chat-and-debate-f3/scientology-featured-on-four-corners-show-t260.htm#5826 http://www.ozsaintsforum.com/biblical-chat-and-debate-f3/scientology-featured-on-four-corners-show-t260.htm http://www.ozsaintsforum.com/biblical-chat-and-debate-f3/the-church-mafia-t258.htm DaVe This pastor created a stage play on church abuse called "The Church Mafia", and talks about his experiences in this fantastic interview. I highly recommend watching these, especially parts 2 and 3. Biblical Chat and Debate Wed, 03 Mar 2010 12:10:14 GMT http://www.ozsaintsforum.com/biblical-chat-and-debate-f3/the-church-mafia-t258.htm#5785 http://www.ozsaintsforum.com/biblical-chat-and-debate-f3/the-church-mafia-t258.htm http://www.ozsaintsforum.com/biblical-chat-and-debate-f3/videos-previously-on-the-front-page-t228.htm DaVe Videos previously featured on the front page of the forum: Testimonies of coming out of the Mormon church. Frighteningly similar to PH: Leaving the Exclusive Brethren - A Current Affair feature: Short clip on spiritual abuse: Exclusive Brethren featured on Today Tonight TV program. Cutting off families is their specialty: Biblical Chat and Debate Sat, 12 Dec 2009 02:31:57 GMT http://www.ozsaintsforum.com/biblical-chat-and-debate-f3/videos-previously-on-the-front-page-t228.htm#5250 http://www.ozsaintsforum.com/biblical-chat-and-debate-f3/videos-previously-on-the-front-page-t228.htm http://www.ozsaintsforum.com/biblical-chat-and-debate-f3/the-world-is-flat-t250.htm eaglecreek you ever think back to the middle ages and wonder why the church considered a spherical world sacrilege ? this has always been a subject that has left me baffled . why ??? how did they get to this point ? where in the bible does it say the world is flat ?one of the only ref to this i could find (and i will continue to look ) is the phrase "four corners of the earth" an example of this is in the prophetic cannons in the book of isaiah . isa 11:12 - And he shall set up an ensign for ... Biblical Chat and Debate Thu, 28 Jan 2010 19:52:13 GMT http://www.ozsaintsforum.com/biblical-chat-and-debate-f3/the-world-is-flat-t250.htm#5508 http://www.ozsaintsforum.com/biblical-chat-and-debate-f3/the-world-is-flat-t250.htm http://www.ozsaintsforum.com/biblical-chat-and-debate-f3/thue-lords-anointed-t241.htm eaglecreek what does it mean to be "anointed"? the simplest explanation (in biblical terms) means "official" ie priest or kings. priest could anoint others to be priest or kings . so this is one form of anointed. but also one can be anointed by the Almighty himself , ie:David and Samuel. the latter of the two will be our topic of this discussion. Samuel was anointed by the Lord. the scriptures give many examples of proper protocol towards those anointed by the Almighty. ... Biblical Chat and Debate Thu, 07 Jan 2010 02:11:16 GMT http://www.ozsaintsforum.com/biblical-chat-and-debate-f3/thue-lords-anointed-t241.htm#5390 http://www.ozsaintsforum.com/biblical-chat-and-debate-f3/thue-lords-anointed-t241.htm http://www.ozsaintsforum.com/biblical-chat-and-debate-f3/john-the-baptist-t243.htm eaglecreek who was john the baptist ? Mat 11 :7-14 “As John's disciples were leaving, Jesus began to speak to the crowd about John: ‘What did you go out into the desert to see? A reed swayed by the wind? If not, what did you go out to see? A man dressed in fine clothes? No, those who wear fine clothes are in kings' palaces. Then what did you go out to see? A prophet? Yes, I tell you, and more than a prophet. 1This is the one about whom it is written: "I will send my messenger ahead of you, ... Biblical Chat and Debate Fri, 08 Jan 2010 17:41:32 GMT http://www.ozsaintsforum.com/biblical-chat-and-debate-f3/john-the-baptist-t243.htm#5402 http://www.ozsaintsforum.com/biblical-chat-and-debate-f3/john-the-baptist-t243.htm http://www.ozsaintsforum.com/biblical-chat-and-debate-f3/when-people-leave-by-daniel-fusco-t238.htm DaVe When People Leave by Daniel Fusco Source: http://churchplantingnetwork.wordpress.com/2007/08/08/when-people-leave-by-daniel-fusco/ People leave churches. That is a simple fact. Oftentimes, pastors and church planters find more sorrow in people leaving then they find joy in people coming. Anytime someone leaves a church, it affects the pastor, especially a church planter or the pastor of a small church. When a family of four people leaves a church of forty, 10% of the church just left. ... Biblical Chat and Debate Sat, 02 Jan 2010 14:51:46 GMT http://www.ozsaintsforum.com/biblical-chat-and-debate-f3/when-people-leave-by-daniel-fusco-t238.htm#5364 http://www.ozsaintsforum.com/biblical-chat-and-debate-f3/when-people-leave-by-daniel-fusco-t238.htm http://www.ozsaintsforum.com/biblical-chat-and-debate-f3/sabbath-or-not-to-sabbath-t205.htm Mythbuster Are there any Holy days the NT christian should be keeping????]]> Biblical Chat and Debate Fri, 23 Oct 2009 08:23:03 GMT http://www.ozsaintsforum.com/biblical-chat-and-debate-f3/sabbath-or-not-to-sabbath-t205.htm#4673 http://www.ozsaintsforum.com/biblical-chat-and-debate-f3/sabbath-or-not-to-sabbath-t205.htm http://www.ozsaintsforum.com/biblical-chat-and-debate-f3/whats-the-different-between-seventh-day-adventists-and-pentecostals-t234.htm mamajo You guys all seem very learned... can you help me with this? There is a Christian school near us (Landsdale Gardens Christian School) that i made some enquiries about, turns out it is run by the Seventh Day Adventist Church. I'm not familiar with the denomination and was wondering if i could have some input. i have read their belief statement and a few websites and they seem similar other than having church on Saturday....(i dont understand the Great Controversy). Any "inside" information??/ Biblical Chat and Debate Wed, 23 Dec 2009 02:14:09 GMT http://www.ozsaintsforum.com/biblical-chat-and-debate-f3/whats-the-different-between-seventh-day-adventists-and-pentecostals-t234.htm#5309 http://www.ozsaintsforum.com/biblical-chat-and-debate-f3/whats-the-different-between-seventh-day-adventists-and-pentecostals-t234.htm http://www.ozsaintsforum.com/biblical-chat-and-debate-f3/religion-as-addiction-t227.htm DaVe This book has some very interesting thoughts on religion as addiction. For instance, becoming addicted to self-induced emotional highs during worship services, or becoming addicted to church works because that's what keeps you on-track with God (or is some sort of appeasement for sin). There's heaps more info than what's below, but it provides some idea of what the book is talking about. Excerpt from: Toxic Faith by Stephen Arterburn & Jack Felton Religion as Addiction A ... Biblical Chat and Debate Tue, 08 Dec 2009 08:54:12 GMT http://www.ozsaintsforum.com/biblical-chat-and-debate-f3/religion-as-addiction-t227.htm#5239 http://www.ozsaintsforum.com/biblical-chat-and-debate-f3/religion-as-addiction-t227.htm http://www.ozsaintsforum.com/biblical-chat-and-debate-f3/kenneth-copeland-t222.htm Darth Vader
Have a read of this and share what you think??

http://www.letusreason.org/Wf22.htm]]> Biblical Chat and Debate Tue, 24 Nov 2009 13:01:16 GMT http://www.ozsaintsforum.com/biblical-chat-and-debate-f3/kenneth-copeland-t222.htm#5137 http://www.ozsaintsforum.com/biblical-chat-and-debate-f3/kenneth-copeland-t222.htm http://www.ozsaintsforum.com/biblical-chat-and-debate-f3/21-toxic-beliefs-t221.htm DaVe The following is an excerpt from a book. I have trimmed it down and not included all paragraphs and information under each "toxic belief", however some great points are made. 21 Toxic Beliefs from Toxic Faith by Stephen Arterburn & Jack Felton Toxic faith is a destructive and dangerous involvement in a religion that allows the religion, not a relationship with God, to control a person's life. It is a defective faith with an incomplete or tainted view of God. ... Biblical Chat and Debate Sat, 21 Nov 2009 23:34:52 GMT http://www.ozsaintsforum.com/biblical-chat-and-debate-f3/21-toxic-beliefs-t221.htm#5107 http://www.ozsaintsforum.com/biblical-chat-and-debate-f3/21-toxic-beliefs-t221.htm http://www.ozsaintsforum.com/biblical-chat-and-debate-f3/are-we-all-really-born-sinners-t220.htm Mythbuster Your thoughts?]]> Biblical Chat and Debate Wed, 11 Nov 2009 02:52:04 GMT http://www.ozsaintsforum.com/biblical-chat-and-debate-f3/are-we-all-really-born-sinners-t220.htm#4959 http://www.ozsaintsforum.com/biblical-chat-and-debate-f3/are-we-all-really-born-sinners-t220.htm http://www.ozsaintsforum.com/biblical-chat-and-debate-f3/ministries-today-1990-end-of-the-discipleship-era-t214.htm DaVe After a bit of digging and a couple phone calls to the US, I bought a copy of the magazine Ministries Today Jan/Feb 1990, which detailed the repentance of most of those who started the Discipleship movement in the 70s: "To my personal pain and chagrin, these particular emphases very easily lent themselves to an unhealthy submission resulting in perverse and unbiblical obedience to human leaders." - Bob Mumford I have scanned the relevant pages of the magazine (15 pages!), ... Biblical Chat and Debate Sat, 31 Oct 2009 01:53:54 GMT http://www.ozsaintsforum.com/biblical-chat-and-debate-f3/ministries-today-1990-end-of-the-discipleship-era-t214.htm#4853 http://www.ozsaintsforum.com/biblical-chat-and-debate-f3/ministries-today-1990-end-of-the-discipleship-era-t214.htm http://www.ozsaintsforum.com/biblical-chat-and-debate-f3/additional-thoughts-on-free-will-t212.htm DaVe Excerpts from "Twisted Scriptures" by Mary Chrnalogar Additional thoughts on free will The black-and-white mentality is more solidly impressed in your mind by implanting the idea that God will leave you no option if you are serving His will. Typical examples are found in the book, Experiencing God. They imply God isn’t big enough to allow you two or more equally good choices in His will. God has only one thing for you to do each moment and you better be listening ... Biblical Chat and Debate Wed, 28 Oct 2009 13:32:20 GMT http://www.ozsaintsforum.com/biblical-chat-and-debate-f3/additional-thoughts-on-free-will-t212.htm#4830 http://www.ozsaintsforum.com/biblical-chat-and-debate-f3/additional-thoughts-on-free-will-t212.htm http://www.ozsaintsforum.com/biblical-chat-and-debate-f3/preconceived-ideas-t216.htm Mythbuster I came accross this quote today and thought how applicable it is to our discussions. “If a man is offered a fact which goes against his instincts, he will scrutinize it closely, and unless the evidence is overwhelming, he will refuse to believe it. If, on the other hand, he is offered something which affords a reason for acting in accordance to his instincts, he will accept it even on the slightest evidence.” — Bertrand Russell, Roads to Freedom I think this quote highlights the ... Biblical Chat and Debate Fri, 06 Nov 2009 05:18:49 GMT http://www.ozsaintsforum.com/biblical-chat-and-debate-f3/preconceived-ideas-t216.htm#4908 http://www.ozsaintsforum.com/biblical-chat-and-debate-f3/preconceived-ideas-t216.htm http://www.ozsaintsforum.com/biblical-chat-and-debate-f3/whose-will-is-it-t204.htm DaVe Below are some great thoughts on how much we actually hear from God, and some reasons why some people have an over-dependence on their pastor (i.e., running to pastor everytime something goes wrong). Excerpt from "Twisted Scriptures" by Mary Chrnalogar Whose will is it? (part 1) One mind can be influenced by God or evil Many manipulative groups apparently want to make you think that the mind has two parts: one which God inspires and one which is human nature. ... Biblical Chat and Debate Thu, 22 Oct 2009 02:27:15 GMT http://www.ozsaintsforum.com/biblical-chat-and-debate-f3/whose-will-is-it-t204.htm#4644 http://www.ozsaintsforum.com/biblical-chat-and-debate-f3/whose-will-is-it-t204.htm